Can Women Join The Clergy?

Recently two different Christians that I know well have asked me what I thought about woman’s in ministry,

“Can a woman be a pastor?, Can a woman run a church?”

My answer to that is quite simple, no, but its not a no for the reason you might think.

The modern definition of pastor, the job title as the guy at the top of a hierarchy. The person who orchestrates church meetings. The person who is “in charge” of the church.

I recently watched a male pastor cry before his congregation about his insecurities and struggles in following God. After 30 minutes of this he said crying “well… and I am your leader…” and continued in the struggles and confessions of confusion, difficulty and turmoil. It was refreshing honesty about his weakness and need for others and his need for help.

This man was not qualitied to be leading Christians around, but not becuase of anything to his fault. No Christian is. The best of the best is not qualified for that. Paul himself would plant churches, disciple the new believers and train them to be led of the Spirit then he would leave them alone to the leadership of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. He did not place himself or his loyal men over that body of Christians. He was sensitive and careful not to overstep his place and intrude on the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

The role of pastor that the vast majority of protestant Christianity (and the role of Priest in Catholacism) has embraced does exactly that. It intrudes on the Spirit of Christ over other Christians. It usurps itself over the Holy Spirit. Amazingly most the time these other Christians crave that intrusion because they don’t know how to be led of the Spirit. I craved exactly that for most of my time as a Christian.

I love and appreciate pastors but don’t look to them for much of anything. I don’t look to them for anything beyond what I look to any Christian for. Fellowship, friendship and if fortunate inspiration from the spirit of Jesus. But not leadership. If they say or teach something that I know is not of God I don’t get mad at them. Any more than any Christian. Most of them mean well, most of them are just meeting a demand in the body of Christ. But as they meet that demand it does not necessarily mean they are following the spirit of Christ. Nor that I should listen to them more than my teen who is seeking Jesus and has the Spirit of Christ within.

As leaders, we can fake it, we can feign confidence and train ourselves to preach with excellent words of eloquence. And we can even bring in business consultants and call it “building the kingdom” but… it’s just not.

Jesus exclusively does that… through whom he choses, and how he choses. Ministry then is what God gets out of our lives as we surrender and yield ourselves to Jesus Christ.

So then NO, women cannot be clergyman pastors, but then again, neither can men. Unless of course we take the role of pastor as the scripture defines it. An older mature elder in the Lord who is able to teach who leads a life of self control and who is able to disciple young Christians.

That role is all over in the New Testament filled by both men and women in different ways. It may not pay well, it may not have a salary attached to it. It’s not going to feed your ego, or the pride of our lives all that much. But it is there and it is world-changing and it is the most important job on planet earth.

The modern definition of pastor, the clergyman (or clergywoman) is not a thing of Jesus Christ. It is not a spiritually legitimate profession. It may fit well into Satan’s world system of religion. But I’m with Jesus exclusively and Jesus does not fill pastor-ships like that. We do, tradition does, we inherit and hand down the concept of clergy, a professional class of religious leaders. It never should have been adopted by Christian churches, but it was.

Clergymen attempt to orchestrate and control Christian gatherings and think it their responsibility to orchestrate what the Spirit of Jesus wants to orchestrate. Through all his followers together, one by one. They go in and out for us, telling us when to come in and sit down, when and what to “repeat after me”, when to stand up, sit down, and pay the tenth and stop the talking, they entertain us with song and eloquence of speech.

As they do this… as we demand they do this. I can’t help but believe that Jesus is watching shaking his head saying ‘no thanks, none of that.’ I can’t help but believe he’d prefer the little old lady in the back row with little to no money and who is not cool. And who has a gentle, meek demeanor, that she should take the microphone from the proud one on stage and teach and exhort the people.

Pastors are legitimate ministry gifts but our definition is not Jesus’ definition, nor Paul’s definition.

The truth is, God can, and does, and has used women to minister as much as men. Any person, male of female who is being led of the Spirit is a minister of Jesus Christ.

For more information about what real ministry is this teaching from T. Austin Sparks is second to none.

With His Daily Permission

When it comes to serving the Lord I think the key term is permission. We need his permission to do anything and everything that is spiritual. Everything we say or do or write needs to be first with his permission.

We may do nothing for him out of our own zeal and good intentions. Or out of admiration for Christians that we admire who pressure us. Even “preaching the gospel” is subject to his daily permission. Not every Christian has his permission to go and preach the gospel. We saw that with the apostle Paul. He was driven out for a very long time to do nothing at all. Jesus sent none of his disciples until he decided they were ready.

We are called to “let your light shine” we are not called to be the light itself with effort. Not by broadcasting a bubbly personality or, by flattering people then calling it love.

We are obligated to do nothing except what he wants, moment by moment.

It might be nice, but there is no autopilot to go on in serving Christ. There is no blank check we can cash to just do his will and get his approval and pleasure of our ministry pursuits.

We get his permission through the Holy Spirit and not through our own elaborate ministry strategy or visions. We do not get his permission and mandate from other Christians who themselves are not in mutual submission and community.

We get his permission on his timing by every day staying in communion with him and waiting patiently before we do anything. We can get permission by our community of Christians who themselves have proven to be in submission to the Spirit and to one another mutually, not permission some worldly religious hierarchy.

There is no ministry mandate or permission given by apostles or pastors or deacons that is not first and primarily directed through the Holy Spirit. They may affirm a calling and a sending. But they are neither the callers not senders.

A thousand individual independent Christians can scream at us saying “you and we should be doing this … or that, …why aren’t you…?” but without the Spirits permission and his ok we are better off doing absolutely nothing.

It’s very frustrating and difficult to submit to the ‘go and wait command’.

Sit on your hands, gag your mouth, sell your mics if he hasn’t ok’d your ministry first and repeatedly.

The most important thing then becomes how to hear and see and then follow the Holy Spirit. Make that …priority one, nothing else.

And when and if we start to follow him (and no one before him) … it is highly likely he will undermine our personal ministry, things we are doing for him as a favor out of self and out of our own religious zeal and our own definition of good work.

He will demand our top loyalty, and he will painfully break down our ties to others that stand in between us and him.

This is a bond slave, we do only his will unto death.

When it comes to serving Jesus, permission is the key.

Jesus is an exacting Lord, and he is the builder of his church, not us.

Ambition is not the key, not leadership, not preaching, not winning souls. Not prayer, not getting some force to back us that we call the anointing. All those things happen only as we respond to his moment by moment permission.

First and foremost it is permission and learning how to detect the Lord’s permission.

Permission for absolutely everything spiritual that we say, everything we do, everything we refuse to say, and everything we refuse to do.

This permission individually and as a body IS the ministry and we cannot control it or accelerate it. No more than we can control or accelerate the wind. All we can do is cooperate with the wind or resist it.

We cannot go on autopilot and enjoy a mandate to do what we think is good fulfilling our ambitions …then call that “the anointing”. We can’t get away with that and pretend we do the Lords work. It is just our work of ambitious, impatient, and pious religion, like all over the world.

When it comes to serving Jesus, permission is the key. Almost no one talks about this today. Because we assume pastors have all the spiritual permission and that it flows to us through them through their authority. So if a person wants permission to “serve the Lord” they are taught to first give their loyalty to a pastor of their choosing. Then he gives them some of his permission.

But Jesus wants to use and minister through all his children. He really is authorizing us all …directly.

A real pastor will teach us that in detail, he will teach us how to detect and yield to the permission of the Spirit. A real pastor will not insist on and enjoy a permanent position of authority over us.

Jesus is an exacting Lord, and he himself is the builder of his church, not us.

So very often our ambition is our biggest detriment. Unlike the business world our leadership, our preaching, even our winning souls and prayers can even hinder real ministry from the life of Christ. Especially when they grow independent of him, (and often they need to in order to accomplish outwardly impressive things) they hinder real ministry from the Lord.

Also, we often misinterpret money flowing our way as his permission and his pleasure in our ministries.

But the lord takes pleasure in and approves of some of the poorest people in the worl. just as they are, and amazingly he sometimes leaves them just as they are financially.

Preaching, prayer, leadership, winning souls may or may not happen but if so it is only as we respond to his moment by moment permission.

Detecting the Lords permission then submitting to his permission is essential. It is not even ok to preach without his specific permission given inwardly day by day.

Cover your mouth 🤭 …throw away your mic without it. It is done in vain, it becomes offensive, good sounding nonsense without the permission of the Spirit of Jesus.

Ministry of Listening

“The first service that one owes to others in the fellowship consists in listening to them. Just as love to God begins with listening to his word. So the beginning of love for the brethren is learning to listen to them. …So it is His work that we do for our brethren when we learn to listen to them.”

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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